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Tutorial 14 Photoref to make the difference by AquaSixio Tutorial 14 Photoref to make the difference by AquaSixio
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Grdzneuli Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2015
Thanks for sharing. your tutorials are very informative for begginers :))
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Macy-chan99 Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2014
this is fucking awesome
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KuseSora Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Student General Artist
I'm learnt a lot! Thank you!!!
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Juuuuliet Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2014  Student General Artist
This is extremely helpful, your criativity is so inspiring :) thank you for taking the time to make this!
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MasoudBahal Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Wonderful.
Congratulations Dude:)
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tallouh Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
i used your tutorial for some help... your tutorials explained and clarified a lot of things to me. ty so much for putting the time together to make your tuts fav.me/d6pvc90 (it's kinda silly compared to what you create)
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selenaloong Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
This is a great tutorial!! THank you very much! :D
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LuminaMaridia Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2013
OhmyGosh thanks so much! So so inspiring! I'm finally getting my project done now. T_T  I was afraid of using references. 
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nyrge Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2013  Student General Artist
Freehand drawing purists might want to have a look at this before commenting: neolucida.com/history/
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reddragon666 Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2013  Professional General Artist
Well for as long as I have skimmed through this debate and it's comments relegating tracing to cheating, to stock photos and copyright laws. Here's something many of you may not have considered. Who CARES how art is made? If a person snags a photo from Google of a Olympic Swimmer diving into the water and uses THAT pose for a superhero in flight, does that make this artist a liar and a thief? No.  Also its like this, if people are really going to bitch and whine about wither an artist used a reference or not, and claiming this artist needs to "cite their source." then I guess if the artist lost or deleted their photo; then they would be at the internet for HOURS just trying to find the original photo. There are thousands upon thousands of stock photos based on ONE subject alone. 

People also need to realize this, did anyone ever take a look at an Art book of a video game before? You can't tell me video game concept artists, or comic book artists don't use reference photos. If they can get by with it, so can we. You know why? Because the target audience of those groups are only interested in the final product. 
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bopx Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013  Student General Artist
 No, it doesn't make them a liar or a thief. However, it does demonstrate a poor understanding of the human subject matter and conveys that the artist is not willing to dedicate any real time to understanding human forms.
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reddragon666 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Professional General Artist
So..what? An artist or game designer has to dedicate more time to study when they are short on time? Suppose you have an important deadline to meet for a big commission; if you spend 100+ hours studying anatomy instead of getting the final product done, the your client's gonna be pissed. I guess an "honest" hard days work of working is better than taking an "easier route". And yes for the record, I have studied anatomy for quite some time but I have also learned that clients don't care how the foundation is constructed, they want the final project now. 
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bopx Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Student General Artist
"So..what?"
So...exactly what I said? I wasn't posting an opinion, just reasoning behind certain opinions.

"An artist or game designer has to dedicate more time to study when they are short on time? Suppose you have an important deadline to meet for a big commission; if you spend 100+ hours studying anatomy instead of getting the final product done, the your client's gonna be pissed."
Okay, but real clients only hire people that already have those 100+ hours under their belt. 

"I guess an "honest" hard days work of working is better than taking an "easier route". And yes for the record, I have studied anatomy for quite some time but I have also learned that clients don't care how the foundation is constructed, they want the final project now. "
Tracing is not "easier". It make's it easier to create bad work, but actually understanding what you're drawing makes it easier to draw. Also, I never questioned if you studied anatomy or not? And if you did, you would understand that having a strong foundation knowledge greatly decreases your worktime. It also ensures that you don't have to rely on photographs to get a certain pose. Instead of googling for half an hour for the perfect pose of someone doing anything specific, you can just sketch the gesture you know you want and don't have to rely on the limited information in your reference picture. 

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Lambert1996 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Understanding the human form comes with practice, just like anything else. Understanding perspective, the human body, still life, realism, lighting, etc. All comes from practice. Reference photos are great to use. I use them all the time, bite me. I'm a perfectionist, and I'd rather rely on something that I know is true, than from my own memory. I have a greater chance of producing something that is right, than it looking wrong. With that said, using reference photos over and over again, can help you get a basis of what the human form looks like. Everything comes with practice. How can you know what something looks like without seeing it? That's why reference photos exist. And I can tell you even the best artists use them.
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AquaSixio Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you for sharing you opinion =)
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reddragon666 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013  Professional General Artist
You're most welcome :) And I think your work and tutorials are fantastic!
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philippeL Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I salute your extraordinary creativity, and thanks a lot for sharing this :bow: :wave:
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AquaSixio Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you for your support =)
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philippeL Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Welcome!
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Nooknook Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
That's great to see how you work and your fantasy is just great ! I love this drawing <3
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angrymikko Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I think the conversation on this piece is interesting I just would like to point out that referencing and tracing are two COMPLETELY different things. One improves the artist's drawing skill and one does not (at least as much). Drawing from life/photo/sculpture whatever is referencing and I seriously do not get it if any of you have a problem with that.
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AquaSixio Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you for sharing your opinion =)
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sukada-shing Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You're a genius. I always have difficulties deciding what to draw. Like you, I've kept some photos in a folder that inspire me. But don't exactly inspire at the same time because i don't know what to draw from it. This is such a great idea! I love it! You're tutorials are amazing! Thank you so much for sharing your ideas and techniques! Im loving it! Keep working hard :)
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GerdElise Featured By Owner May 24, 2013
People need to get off their high horses.
There are many well known artists and illustrators that use/have used the tracing techniques or other 'short ways' and different types of help to make their art, that's nothing new. Probably many that won't even admit it. Before photography many of the old masters used a camera obscura of some sort [link] That doesn't mean their art isn't their own or not great.
AquaSixio's art is certainly his own, it's creative and far from the original photo. So thanks for the tutorial AquaSixio, keep it up, and never mind the ignorant!
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Emerald-Wolf13 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013
I wonder if there would be such an issue with the technique if not for the source of reference being Google.

You're right though, ppl should read the book covering Norman Rockwell's technique.
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AquaSixio Featured By Owner May 25, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you for sharing your opinion ^^
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pressurized Featured By Owner May 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
incredible tutorial, thank you for sharing!
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DinaCardillo Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2013  Student Digital Artist
There's absolutely nothing wrong with the "tracing" in this tutorial. He wanted to communicate an idea, a feeling; so he used all methods available to achieve this goal. I can't stand seeing perfect copies of a photo of some famous chap getting a lot of praise when they mean nothing and are but a demonstration of technique, and this getting bummed down when it's wonderful ART. Lots of the Great Masters of the renaissance used similar techniques (heck, even Canaletto traced his landscapes with the aid of the camera obscura).

Come on guys, art is not about knowing how to draw a the figure is about telling a story, inspiring people and above all... imagination. Not to mention he changed all about the reference picture. Just ridiculous.
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MoeMoney123 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not saying that this is stealing but until you have understood foundational skills(which can't be learned from simply tracing) that you should refrain from this because it will deter the development of your artistic skills because you will become so reliant on tracing. Which in turn, will become a crutch.
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NekoWashu Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2013
These tutorials are fantastic! Thanks so much for taking the time to explain everything so well. This one in particular really speaks to me. I often see a photo that inspires me but I don't know how to go about making what I see in my head appear on paper. (or digital canvas) Seeing how you deal with it makes a lot of sense to me and I am looking forward to trying a new painting again. :squee:
I also really enjoy the turtle color tutorial! <3
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dEADmanWONDERlandx Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2013  Student General Artist
Please.
There is a large difference between tracing for reference and stealing a person's artwork.

If you look at the "tracing in question" in Aquasixio's tutorial, you will notice that they covered a general and basic outline of the photo, NOT a line-for-line copy of it. The child is a girl, looking down and wearing a completely different hat than Aquasixio's interpretation of it. (Boy, different hat, head tilted upwards vs. downwards, eyes visible vs. looking down) There is nothing wrong with Aquasixio's method; in fact, they have perfectly demonstrated an appropriate , albeit different, approach to using reference photos as a BASE for an art piece. Many great artists do this. This method is COMPLETELY different from someone's example of student's copying a photo line-for-line off a projector.
People need to use their heads.
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AquaSixio Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you for your support =)
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WishingLights Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i do this too ! and i thought i was the only one! ^~^
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PKiva Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013  Student Digital Artist
A lot of the comments here are very dumb!
First I want to make clear that I'm not against the fact that you are tracing because it is obviously up to you. No one can tell you what to do!
And also, your art seriously IS amazing. How can anyone deny that?

But:
Why are people even saying down here that photo referencing in general IS BAD too? WHAT!?
people who said that a good artist must not photo-reference....have you ever studied anatomy? Figure drawing? Have you ever studied art seriously? What about life drawing? And art books with pictures? And everything around us basically, because art is BASED on things that already exist. An artist is constantly using any kind of references!
Photo referencing (or image referencing, call it how you like it) is what EVERY ARTIST MUST DO to learn how to do stuff properly. Lighting, colours, anatomy, poses, figure, etcetera.
I can't imagine how anyone can learn art without various references to learn from.
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Wait, how on earth does tracing teach COLORS? :unimpressed:

There's nothing wrong with referencing. I do it every day for my illustration work, but I certainly don't pull stuff off of Google Image Search and trace it because that is not referencing. It's copying. For example, when I needed to draw a character holding a CB radio speaker for my art director, I didn't grab an image of one and trace it. I looked up a few photos of CB speakers and then drew one in my character's hand on my own. THAT is photo referencing.

Referencing is not tracing, and tracing is not referencing. Tracing stuff you don't own is a good way to get yourself expelled from art school for plagiarism, though. Outside of school it can get you sued like the artist behind the Obama HOPE poster was after tracing a photo of Obama that was shot by the Associated Press. He lost.

Students do indeed use visual reference to learn. When I was in school for my illustration degree we learned anatomy and how to draw the figure (and thus poses) by actually drawing figures from life, studying muscle groups in anatomy books, and drawing muscle structures on those figure drawings based on those anatomy books, not by tracing stuff. We learned the nature of light and how to capture what we were looking at by drawing still life setups and later painting still life setups to add color in the mix, not by tracing stuff. If we needed reference for a pose we would ask a friend to get into that pose so we could take a photo of them to LOOK AT as reference. Not TRACE, but LOOK AT.

You can look at photos of an object or people in a type of pose you want and look off of those photos to create your own image of that pose, but tracing it is NOT reference. Tracing a photo you don't own, no matter if it's of a person or an object, is NOT referencing. It's copying. There is a stark difference between the two.
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PKiva Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Student Digital Artist
you haven't really read my comment have you?

As english is not my first language I'll probably make a big grammatical mess trying to reply but I'll try to:
I wasn't saying tracing is useful, at least not in the learning process (many illustrators trace their own sketches and stuff just to save time, to make them bigger or to copy them if they are not working in digital, but they are well aware of what is going on with anatomy and everything else).

I did not say that you have to trace to learn anatomy (or colour) for example. I myself am studying anatomy and figure drawing at present and I do that with anatomy books and live models. So, I know. I was talking about REFERENCING.
People in comments wrote that referencing is "bad" as well as tracing. So my point was that referencing is everything but bad: it is fundamental.

About tracing I just said that if people want to trace, then who are we to write to them nasty stuff? It is up to them, and also tracing comes in different "forms" (I'd like to explain what I mean but, you know).

I did not want to start a big argument with anyone, by the way.
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I did in fact read your comment. My point is that tracing a photo you do not own =/= photo referencing. People here are not saying photo referencing is bad. Photo referencing is good. Tracing it is not referencing. Aqua representing them as one in the same is what a lot of the people here have taken issue with, because it is not true and only further perpetuates that misunderstanding/falsehood to younger artists. They could get themselves into a lot of legal trouble doing that besides stunting their own growth.

By you saying that tracing photos WAS photo referencing, you were in turn saying it was the same as what you do to learn all of those different elements of art and image creation -- referencing. That is not how it is done, and I was illustrating that point. I am well aware that tracing comes in different "forms" as I do it quite often to transfer my thumbnails into rough sketches and rough sketches into tight sketches. That is different than tracing photos you don't own and then saying it was referencing the photo. That isn't reference, it's copying. Copying =/= referencing, tracing =/= referencing, etc.

I'm not arguing. I'm civilly disagreeing.
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PKiva Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Student Digital Artist
really pisses me off when people come and pretend to overturn something I said just to disagree. You know, not everyone was born in the USA and can explain in a perfect fabulous way stuff in english. read my two comments again and realize that what you are saying is exactly what I was trying to say, too.
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I wasn't "pretending to overturn something you said just to disagree", I was taking your comment to mean what the English words you strung together mean in that order. My previous response to you was me listing out what your wording actually said as an explanation for why I took it to mean what I did in order for me to say what I said. How dare I, apparently. :unimpressed:

"You know, not everyone was born in the USA and can explain in a perfect fabulous way stuff in english."

And I was supposed to know that... how, exactly?

You have nothing on your profile stating where you're from. I always check profiles when I talk to somebody to specifically see what country they are from, so don't get pissed off at me because you don't have anything listed. I don't have psychic powers, particularly when there is no information given and your English didn't come across as a second language. There are native English speakers in this country who type as though they just learned the language last week.

Given all of that, dear Lord oh please forgive me for taking your comment to mean what it said in English wording, not being clairvoyant about your country of origin, and not magically knowing what you were trying to say.

List a country of origin if you're going to get bent out of shape when someone misunderstands what you say because the way you worded it isn't what you actually meant. You're expecting a hell of a lot from people when you have absolutely NOTHING on your profile.
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PKiva Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Student Digital Artist
so. I wrote this.

A lot of the comments here are very dumb!
First I want to make clear that I'm not against the fact that you are tracing because it is obviously up to you. No one can tell you what to do!
And also, your art seriously IS amazing. How can anyone deny that?

But:
Why are people even saying down here that photo referencing in general IS BAD too? WHAT!?
people who said that a good artist must not photo-reference....have you ever studied anatomy? Figure drawing? Have you ever studied art seriously? What about life drawing? And art books with pictures? And everything around us basically, because art is BASED on things that already exist. An artist is constantly using any kind of references!
Photo referencing (or image referencing, call it how you like it) is what EVERY ARTIST MUST DO to learn how to do stuff properly. Lighting, colours, anatomy, poses, figure, etcetera.
I can't imagine how anyone can learn art without various references to learn from.

I can't see any "tracing IS referencing" stuff nor I can see "tracing teach colour" stuff. just to mention a couple of things you went on and contested.

So, you know, I just think this conversation we're having is like pointless.
regards
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KrisCynical Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
"So, you know, I just think this conversation we're having is like pointless."

Quite.

So why don't we just leave it at this, again: Before you get pissed off at anyone else for not magically knowing you aren't from an English speaking country, list it on your profile.
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PKiva Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I WAS NOT saying that tracing is photo referencing.
You have understood what I wrote this way.
So that is your opinion on a comment where that this is not written.... I can't do anything about it -_-
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AquaSixio Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you for taking the time to share your opinion =)
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MoonFlameKitten Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2013
OMG UR A GENIUS!!! I never thought of using photo referencing like this at all.. my mind is completly blown away like for realz..
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niel100 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hey bro.. i wanna ur help ?
can u plz tell me, how to turn a pic into "Fantasy Imagination" ?
i want a tutorial.. plz help me bro :)
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AquaSixio Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
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niel100 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thanks a lot bro.. but it's too difficult.. :(

do u have any other tutorial ?
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AquaSixio Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Hum, actually no.. sorry !
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niel100 Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it's ok.. don't say sorry bro.. :) :hug:
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MoeMoney123 Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
lol
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